Noor,

Thanks for your message. There is no doubt that in the Vedic culture (our pristine origins) everyone was vegetarian. As a matter of fact no one back then even thought about eating animals for any reason.

If you don't believe me then all you have to do is read quotes from Anastasia which prove what I am saying beyond a shadow of a doubt.

This is from our resource library;

http://www.anastasiasgarden.com/library/eatinganddiet/

“To be healthy, one must feed one’s self with lovingly grown produce.” (Book six, pp 126)


FROM BOOK ONE (from the new version that came out in April 2007)


Anastasia says “there should be no problems of finding food for Man. One should eat just as one breathes, not paying attention to the food, not distracting one’s thought from more important things”. (pp 36)


Anastasia sustains herself with cedar nuts, herbs, berries and mushrooms. She only eats dried mushrooms. The squirrels prepare everything for her. She doesn’t store food, even for the winter. (pp 41)


She makes absolutely no ritual of mealtime, never sits down just to eat, but picks her food as she walks. (pp 43)


“Well, what good is there in drinking, smoking, senseless and harmful digestion of such a huge quantity of animal meat, when there are so many splendid plants created especially for Man’s nourishment?” (pp 68)


In regards to bees, honey and bee products (bee products are not technically ‘vegan’ because they come from animals, so in essence this probably makes Anastasia not a total, 100% vegan) Anastasia says that the products that come from bees are “so useful for Man”. (pp 82)


As to how much a person should eat, Anastasia says these questions are “best answered by the individual’s own body”. She says that when we feel hungry and thirsty our body is actually sending us a signal indicating when we should eat. This is the precise moment that we should eat something.


According to Anastasia our world of “technocracy” is not capable of allowing these natural rhythms to take place. Two people may be completely different. One might sit down all day, while the other one moves around but yet both are expected to eat at the same time of day. A person should eat food when his body advises through the cravings of hunger and thirst.


What should one eat? The body itself will select what it needs. If you have a household pet you can keep track of its movements carefully. If it eats some kind of grass or herb then you can tear off a few samples of whatever it selects and add it to your diet once or twice a week.


Anastasia says that we should gather some cereal grain (grown in your garden if possible), thresh it, grind it into flour and then bake bread with it. She says this is “extremely important” and that anyone eating this bread (even once or twice a year) will build up a store of energy capable of “awakening his inner spiritual powers”. This bread can be shared with relatives and close friends as long as it is shared with sincerity and love. When created and shared in this manner the bread will have a beneficial effect on the people who eat it.


Anastasia says that we should spend three days at least once each summer eating only what is grown in our gardens along with bread, sunflower oil and just a pinch of salt.


Anyone who has developed such a relationship with the Earth and the plants in their garden has the opportunity to heal their body of every dis-ease. She says that dis-ease is the result of Man distancing himself from the balance and natural systems that take care of him. (pp 88-89)


There are areas such as in Northern Pakistan where the people have been practicing agriculture in similar methods to what Anastasia describes. The Hunzakut people live to be more than 100 years old and men becoming fathers at 90 is not a rarity. (pp 235)


It could be that the “information exchange between an individual person and a plant Anastasia talks about is the missing link to understanding human nutrition.” (Sharashkin, op.-cited pp 235)



FROM BOOK SIX


“One of the other characteristics of the Vedic period was that people were fully aware of the purpose of the various creatures. And all animals served Man.


Man did not bother feeding the animals; on the contrary they fed him. During the Vedic age both Man and his household pets were vegetarians, and never ate meat – they would not even think of it. The tremendous variety of plants around were able to supply Man’s taste abundantly – not only his, but that of the animals surrounding him.” (pp 58)


“Millions of happy families made the Earth a delightsome place. It is the ranks of historians today, in their efforts to please the powers that be, who say that Pristine Man was once stupid, that this Man killed animals, ate their meat in a frenzy and dressed himself in their skins. A monstrous lie is necessary to people trying to cover up their monstrous deeds.” (pp 62)


“….none of the people of pagan Rus’ ever indulged in burnt sacrifices. They did not eat meat at all. They could not even imagine such a thing. They were friends with the animals. Their daily diet was varied enough, but it was strictly vegetarian. Who can come up with a single recipe from ancient Russian cuisine that even mentioned meat? No one!


Even our epic folk tales tell about how the turnip was respected in ancient Rus, about how the people drank mead-beer. Let anyone today, even meat-eaters, try drinking this warm mead made from flower pollen and herbs – after drinking that, you will not want to eat anything else, certainly not meat. Those who force themselves to do so may find the meat will only make them vomit.


Besides, judge for yourself, Vladimir, why should anyone eat meat when all around them a whole lot of easily digestible, high-energy food was available?


During the winter bees fed on nothing but honey and pollen, and so can go the whole winter without excreting at all. The whole intake is assimilated by the bee’s body. And sbiten – a drink made with boiled honey – was always served to guests directly they entered the home. And who would start eating meat after tasting a sweet drink?


It was the nomads that introduced meat to the world. There was hardly any edible fruit to fend for in the prarie-lands and deserts they moved about in, and this is why they ended up killing cattle. And the nomads ate the meat of those animal herds that served as their beasts of burden – animals that carried their belongings, fed them with milk and gave their wool for clothing.


Thus the culture of our forebears was destroyed, and Rus’ was plunged into religion.” (pp 95)


“Back then they still knew that everything growing in the ground carries in itself a psychic energy. To be healthy, one must feed one’s self with lovingly grown produce. This was mentioned in several ancient books in the Alexandria Library, which was destroyed.” (pp 126)

Wel, I had to think about my answer on that one for a while.
I do know Anastasia is vegetarian, and that she said the vedrus people where too. I was not arguing that at all.
Perhaps my post was a bit vague?

What bothers me about vegetarianism is this:
Say the world is covered in beautifull kin domains, and people are indeed vegetarians.
Now look at a cow. What are the uses of a cow?
1.milk
2.manure
3.pulling wagons or carrying stuf
4.meat
Wel, meat we can tick of, because we are vegetarian. Manure we don't really need, because the trees and plants produce plenty of organic matter to improve the soil. And milk, well, to give milk a cow needs to give birth to a calf every year. So if we are going to have milk, we will soon get too many cows. Afterall, there will only be very limited space for grazing animals, because of the domains covering all the suitable land with forests and stuff. We would therefore have to decide not to have milk, and afterall, it can be considered very unfair to take the milk from the cow, it's not produced for us afterall. So then the only use for cattle would be to carry and pull things, but a horse could do that too, and they are more comfortable to ride.
So does that then mean cows will go extinct? And the same will go for sheep (only use being wool), and pigs(perhaps usefull for digiging?), and goats (no use I can think of), as far as I can see. And perhaps for chickens as well, although we could decide to eat their eggs, and they do eat insects, which can be quite usefull.
So what I am asking is: Is it good to let these animals go extinct, or could we keep some, treat them with respect and love, and very occationally cull some and eat the meat?

I am looking forward to your thoughts on this subject. I feel confident that you will find some flaw in my reasoning.

well, I think they are all good for talking too, looking at, and hugging.....some for riding I guess, but really, just because we can't USE somethig for our own benefit, does not mean it should not exsist. Butterflies are beautiful, but do nothing other than look beautiful if you look at it in that context......some people love different animals for different reasons, but they can be just therapudic for hugs etc in my opinion...lol...yes I am a nut.

Dear friends:

There is no "flaw" to any one's thinking other than we are all approaching it from our current level of consciousness, of knowledge, and in the midst of many conflictive viewpoints. The fact is all animals have a right relationship to our Mother Earth. We just don't know what they all are other than the current level of knowledge which as we are all discovering is very primitive. In this time of transition into the higher awareness and consciousness, it is important to be accepting of all that is, compassionate of all we are, and allowing spaciousness in our thoughts and feelings in order to gain clarity in connecting to ALL our relations, the plants, the trees, the animals, the devas, nature spirits, elementals, to many others, and especially with each other. They have been waiting for us for a long time now. All of us present today are preparing the fertile soil for the emerging Consciousness of our children and descendants. Therefore, may Glad Tidings come to all of us in our new discoveries of the deep and broad truth.

Much joy to all,
Rolando

I agree with Rolando.

RIght now we are all in our transition back to our Pristine Origins. If people want to eat meat then I say great. I think the only thing that we all need to agree on is what our Pristine Origins actually looked like. Then getting back there becomes a personal journey. People get there in different ways but they will get there regardless.

So there is no 'wrong' way, but there is a 'right' way that has now been identified in the Ringing Cedars books.

Blessings,

Christopher

Behind the scenes of vegetarianism

I know because one of the ways I earn money is to pick fruit – seasonal work – the harvest trail.

At present I am picking strawberries which end up on the shop shelves.

Innocent red berries. I thought, ‘hey, that’ll be a nice job, not thinking too much about the bending. It turns out that strawberry picking is one of the very hardest fruit picking jobs. It’s all bending – move the tray forward all working day long. Unless you can squat and duck walk of course, which at least I can do to ease my back. Otherwise take up the gorilla stance I have worked out and move forward in this way as best as possible.

The strawberries purpose here is to produce to make money which it appears they strive to do for their owners. Somehow they can cope with destruction around them.

Today was a beautiful day at work. Stillness, sun shining over the wetland area where we are located, near the sanctuary. All sorts of birds singing away, one I heard saying ‘wow, look at all the people look at all the people’, beautiful, peaceful....pop! Sqawk sqawk. Hmm what was that? Look over – the farmer on his 4 wheeler down by the pond has just despatched another ‘pest’.

The field workers still all bent over working through strawberry fields when ten minutes later still the beautiful stillness. The farmer now at the bottom of the strawberry slope, looking like a rice paddy over sear but western style spraying 24D (serious weed killer) with is gun peacefully along the raspberry patch.

Ah! Did you think that 24D was banned? What, about 50 years ago. Not so, by a long shot. 24D, the sinister other half of Agent Orange, is readily available and blatantly used and in quick defence to an unintentional question about the eating of strawberries while working. ‘I’ve been eating these strawberries all my life while living on our farm and look at me, I haven’t got two heads’. But the strawberries have I notice. Deformities unique to 24D I can tell. Co workers hold them up some times, ‘must be a defect in nature?’ A lemon is displayed on the shop serving counter (grotesque, like fat yellow squid with far too many tentacles, I can’t stand the sight of it) as though a prize, for a few weeks until it is browning and withering. I really don’t think they know, and marvel!

Nature is the enemy!‘
We just go around shooting the rabbits and strawberry eating birds’.
‘What about the neighbours?’
‘We use quiet bullets’
‘Don’t they hurt as much?’ I say, a bit cheeky because I know the answer as I was brought up as a hunter in a very hunting town. But that is another story. ‘I once worked at the organic community gardens in Nelson NZ’ I said ‘and had my own plot. Rabbits were eating the odd cabbage so I painted and put up a warning sign to the rabbits to keep off’ It seemed to do the trick.

I suggested one day that our loving touch (because our hands are continuously brushing over the strawberry leaves) is encouraging them to produce nice fruit.

A little slug is spotted on a strawberry I just picked (actually the first bug I have seen!) as the boss and I chat. She spies it with a ‘what are you doing in our patch’ look. I shield him and gently tuck him under a leaf. ‘He’s got his purpose. And so have the weeds you know, you should leave one of each’.

The day is quite hot so I am taking my shirt off today. ‘There is sunscreen in the truck’. ‘That stuff will give you cancer’ I say. ‘No you need it to protect yourself from the sun; the sun is dangerous and will give you cancer’.

This is probably an average farm I would say. My son and I picked longans (dragons eye, for the Chinese market) for several months. The trees are all covered with nets, costing thousands, to stop bats and various parrots and parakeets from eating them. Each day we would come across one or two or a small group trapped under the net. And these were quickly battened or shot. Protected or not. Never mind the beautiful colours. We were encouraged and even expected to club them ourselves. ‘No way Hozay!’. ‘Do your own dirty work’. It was hard enough with the unexpected road kill on the way to the orchard in the darker hours of the day.

There is plenty of employment for shooters of ‘pests’. And pests include....well, you name it.

In fact shooting is only one way of dispatching. All sorts of methods are come up with and more come because minds are at work.

Electrocution for instance. By high wires. Very effective. But this is banned now. And you know what banned means!

So this is some of the fruit and vege scene. It is about money of course. Anyway vegetarianism alone will not necessarily remove one from destruction of nature.

Maybe you know this already, but in case you weren’t so aware of it.

Be good! And happy
As possible
Until our spaces of love
Chris

Hello all!
Yes, I am never quite sure whether the "organic" vegetables I buy from the supermarket or from the local organic supplier are actually pesticide, everything-that-is-nasty free for the plants and the growers too, but I still buy them with the belief that it is better for me and my family and also for the growers and pickers and for the Earth. I have started to grow some veg and plants organically too.
With regards to animals for meat consumption, I think I read an article many years ago that the reason we have so many cows, goats and sheep (which all fart a lot! - good if you collect the methane to run your boiler! but not for the ozone layer) is because people eat them. We could let them get back to their "normal" numbers but maybe Noor can advise whether if left to their own devices, they would breed like rabbits - problem is no natural predator available to cull them. Yes good poo for fertiliser but what does one do with loads of it? And one has to grow food for them unless you have a good acreage of grass land for them to nibble on.
I have been 90%-99% raw vegetarian for over a year now (I still eat honey) and it has done wonders for my body, brain and spirit - I would highly recommend it to everyone. It has enabled me to continue breast feeding daughter and wake up twice to three times a night to feed and not feel too tired the next day. However, even raw food does not save me completely, if we wake up too many times, I get pretty grumpy!! Even my daughter (who was brought up on meat) likes her veg raw and she eats pre-soaked nuts and goji berries, maca powder and now loves avocado with raw hemp seeds (rich in protein) with honey or maple syrup. We do eat (well, my daughter and husband, I sometimes partake but seldom) some chicken eggs and fish but that's because everyone thinks my daughter is tiny for her age and that my husband lost too much weight when we started the new food, so I buckled under the pressure.
With regards to cow's milk and goat's milk, I do not take it at all except if we have a pot of ice cream at the park for a treat. I do not think it is good in large quantities, it is over rated and has been pushed on to people for I do not know what reason - if we become what we eat, is it because cows are docile animals, easily lead and manipulated? I certainly would not give any formula to any baby no matter what age - I tried at times with my daughter who hated it and did more research and was pleased we never succeeded. Mother's milk is best and when we do not need mother's milk we can make nut milks from pre-soaked almonds etc which are pretty yummy and nutritious and free from hormones meant for baby cows who grow at a different rate to people. If you would like further info, try The Mother magazine and the book by the editor, The Drinks are on Me, things your mother never told you about breast feeding by Veronica Sophia Robinson. Also Detox Your World by Shazzie who is a friend of David Wolfe, the American raw food guru.
Hope that helps
siu ying

Great discussion and contributions! I appreciate the quotes collected Christopher, from Book 2 & 6. Love it if you have collated later book quotes. saves time if done

Love the quotes - many thanks.

Its great to see that 'learning' and 'change' can occur without judgement or fear factors but through non judgemental discussion - people lovingly sharing their views and that helps us lead to a different way of seeing it. beautiful.

An idea on the cow and pig - and their role in the world if not for killing... the cow can graze... the pig can eat scraps... and if we think of lions and other e.g. african animals - they deserve their own space. Their beauty inspire us. thats enough (vs all being practical use to us as 'Man'). There is some interesting reading on the wisdom animals offer us. A whale is suppose to be on a higher dimension than us in terms of intuition and communication. so much to learn from them

Yes, you are right, animals don't have to be usefull to us directly. I just brought this up because of the 'plan' Anastasia presented us with, where the whole world is covered in Kin domains. It is clear for me now, as a result of our discusions, that we have to build in space for nature, untamed, so animals that don't fit in our domains can live there. We have to keep some plains, savanna, jungle, wild forests etc.
If we give space to predators as wel as vegetarian animals, hopefully that would keep a balance, so we won't get to many of one type of animal.

love from Noor

sounds like the plan. I watched a recent national geographic DVD with children on lions. wow - its gruesome. we ended up turning it off as most of it was killing and eating. It would have been nice to see other things lions do . I wonder what it will be like in the future with predator animals - if friends with human etc... Oh well one day at a time.

here is another good use, besides enjoying their company and playfulness.....

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1KJR2hP9nI0

This is a sobering video. I grew up in a farming family and still have family who are farmers and ranchers. What is shown in this film is not how every rancher raises and slaughters the animals. Thank you Noor for introducing another perpective.

At the same time, I am sickened and yet glad to be made aware that the kind of abuse of food animals shown in this video is common in the large corporate ranches, dairies, and slaughterhouses. I am glad that I know the history of the meat that I see in the grocery store.

I had already changed my diet since reading the Ringing Cedars Series. I grow a little bit of food, but primarily I live quite well and healthy on wild food growing naturally in my 2+acre urban lot. There is more than enough for my family of six. Changing to a vegan diet might be a little more difficult for people who are dependent on buying all their food. I've been to a few organic farms and some of them are growing their produce for money instead of people also. They just do it organically instead of chemically. It's still better than the chemically grown variety.

JoyceM

So, I have another question that is very related to the issue of slaughtering animals. this has been unresolved for me for several years. Studies have demonstrated that plants "scream" inaudibly when their leaves are torn from them. On monitoring equipment, they even register off the chart "screaming" when another plant nearby is "murdered," and then again repeatedly when the "murderer" simply enters the room. When the same kind of equipment is monitoring humans it shows a similar pattern when the human experiences terror or severe panic. I wonder how this is different from the killing of animals?

When a leaf or a limb is cut from a tree, the plant "bleeds" and creates a "scab" to protect the wound. I once went to my yard to remove a few very small trees that were growing directly under an electrical line. Their growth there would cause major problems later on. I distintly "heard" (more like felt) the trees telling me, "NO. We want to live HERE. We'll try to avoid the electrical lines but if we fail, we'd rather be severely timmed later than be killed or moved now."

Another incident occurred when I was getting ready to saw off a couple low hanging "dead" branches from a ponderosa pine tree. I distinctly heard and felt that the tree was not happy about the procedure and preferred that the branches be left in place. On the other hand I've trimmed trees for specific purposes with complete agreement from the tree.

I think the key message from Anastasia is "relationship" to nature, and to eat only that which is freely given. I eat wild food growing on my property and some cultivated food growing on my property, but as I walk around to harvest, I often feel a plant letting me know that it is not for eating, or at least that it is not for me to eat at that time.

A friend of mine is a hunter and every time he hunts he speaks to the spirit of the animals he is hunting. He thanks them for all the good they do and their beauty and contribution to life, then requests that if it benefits the herd or the group for one of them to be taken for food, that they send that one to him. He does not track the animals but simply waits in one spot. Most years an animal comes to him but not always. This is similar to how some of the Native Americans hunted (not all by any means). It was about an honoring and mutually supportive relationship.

Those experiences seem to suggest that even vegetarianism that is supported by food purchased by "business" farmers (organic or chemical) is somewhat harmful to the plants harvested and therefore to those eating the plants. That is born out by the results of vegetarian diets. Vegans do not necessarily live longer or healthier. Yes, many of them do, but so do many meat eaters.

My husband's grandfather died five years ago at 102 years old. No one could ever remember a day when he was sick. He retired from three different careers. In the last three years of his life he entered his own "private space" in his mind but he remained happy and active, interacting with others in a beneficial way. He ate "slaughtered and abused" meat several times every day of his life.

I very much want the animal abuses to end. I support that wholeheartedly. I also support a clear understanding of what is the true benefit to us regarding food. I think those two issues have not yet been clearly and effectively separated out. And without that understanding, we may succeed in ending the abuse of animals and still fail to gain the full and rich potential of being human in relationship with all of Nature that is available to us.

Wishing us all the best we can imagine and speak,
JoyceM

A minority perhaps. Lol.

http://loveforlife.com.au/node/142


The bolded part would explain the following post, and most of the pathetic comments on this thread, where i posted the Meet Your Meat video....

http://forum.everyonedoesit.co.uk/showt ... 110&page=2


A fine example of how THEY (The Heirarchy Enslaving You) has manipulated people into having these warped outlooks on life.

It seems that no amount of these videos will make them see anything else otherwise.

Quite sad really.